Privilege and Oppression

December 10, 2010

I am sure it is exhausting and disheartening to be constantly smacked with other people’s privilege, and then to have salt rubbed in the wound by the additional smack of “and we’re only going listen to your experience of oppression if you couch it in terms and with a tone *we* deem acceptable”. My personal philosophy is if someone is sharing an experience of oppression in relation to something I have said or done, I shut up, sack up, and accept their experience in the terms and with the tone it is delivered.

I figure it’s a lot worse to experience oppression than to be a privileged person having someone say something “mean” to me, so I give a very large benefit of the doubt. All one needs to say–rather than getting defensive–is “Gee, I hadn’t seen it that way, but I will definitely think about it now that you point it out.”

In the broader scope of human interaction in privileged environments, there are a lot more constraints on how the oppressed can interact with others and present themselves than on the privileged. This explains why in an environment that is supposed to be “safe”, the oppressed sometimes feel comfortable just fucken teeing off once in a while. Fucketonnes of frustration and rage and powerlessness are being suppressed all the fucken time, and if the shit leaks out once in a while among friends, the benefit of the doubt should be extended.

67 Responses to “Privilege and Oppression”

  1. bioephemera Says:

    Can we append this: it is utterly unproductive when people who have not directly experienced certain types of oppression (gender, race, sexual orientation, etc.) completely dominate the “oppression conversation” with self-righteous judgment of their fellow oppressors, inauthentic assessments of oppression’s effects, and stigmatizing, paternalistic assumptions about what the oppressed SHOULD want or feel.

    When people express the frustration born of their personal experiences of oppression, even if it’s not couched in the most constructive terms, it is at least authentic. And it can help those of us who haven’t experienced the oppressive forces personally to appreciate their effects in a limited way – certainly more so than being told how we should feel about it, based on some abstract concepts of social justice.

  2. justducky Says:

    Thanks for this.

  3. GMP Says:

    Nicely done, CPP.

  4. Funky Fresh Says:

    Oh the irony of GMP agreeing with this! IT BURNS!!! IT BURNS!!!!!!

  5. anon Says:

    So, how does the opressed labor force in the biological sciences fit in here?

  6. vegofish Says:

    Unlikely that CPP or any of the other shitbag progressive fucks that post here have actually encountered a truly oppressed human being.
    I’m sure he deals regularly with self pitying whiny fucks that want to blame their problems, bad choices and ignorance on other people. Which of course, to the progressive is an oppressed person. The truly oppressed are not wandering the guild halls of the ivory tower. And they are not the ones you step over to get into the liquor store to buy your Jamesons.

  7. skeptifem Says:

    what the fuck, so the homeless aren’t oppressed? what the hell are you talking about vegofish?

    You do know that a high percentage of them are veterans and an even higher number have serious mental illness? Do you know what kind of shape homeless people show up to the hospital in?

  8. Katharine Says:

    vegofish, by dint of you being a rich-ass white businessman you’ve never actually been oppressed for your own genetics, unless you’re somehow gay and so far in the closet you’re in Narnia.

    It’s not necessarily bad choices that make some people wind up in the conditions they’re in, you conservatarded moron.

  9. justducky Says:

    And, may I ask, o wise and superior vegofish, what a “truly oppressed human being” is? And, may I ask, o all seeing and all knowing vegofish, how you know what it is that we – random internet peeps you’ll never meet – experience daily?

  10. vegofish Says:

    I agree kat, it is not necessarily bad individual choices that make some people wind up in bad situations. Some people can be victims of circumstance. Most are victims of their own choices though. Those choices infect so much disease into our current mechanisms of assistance as to render them broke and helpless to assist those lacking in the abilities to overcome on their own.
    One would think that the intellectual capabilities of those who post here would possibly be able to frame their argument in fashion more reflective of the honest debate,
    which would be to accept that most of those with conservative values are very willing to help those who need it, but are tired of assisting the vast majority who don’t.
    Have you never given thought to the amount of assistance and compassion we could extend to those who are truly in need, if we weren’t continually being raped and robbed by the business of politically correct victimhood?

  11. jarlington Says:

    First of all, I cannot stand when people use the word rape to mean anything except actual rape. It should not be used as a metaphor — not for losing at a video game, and not for some concocted notion of being downtrodden by political correctness. Even if it was not a complete asshat move, is not a good metaphor, because they are not remotely the same.

    It has been proven repeatedly in policy that conservatives are not actually willing to help those in need. It is possible that some of the people who are struggling so much right now made bad choices along the way. We all do. But I cannot begin to fathom being the kind of person who believes that assistance should be given only to the perfect ones who didn’t fuck up along the way. Why should it be anyone’s right to judge who is worthy?

    The idea that those who need assistance right now somehow deserved it because of the choices they made, or don’t really need help at all, is ridiculous. It is a known fact that the unemployment rate is at 9.8%, and that many companies are not hiring those who aren’t currently employed. The jobs just are not there. I volunteer at a food pantry, and not one of the people that comes in there is looking for a free ride. They all work if they can (some of them work even though they shouldn’t). They all struggle. Many of them have spoken to me about how much they battled with their pride before finally coming in, because in this country it’s viewed as a personal failing not to be able to make it by yourself, no matter what the circumstances. I am privileged as all hell, in this and in many other ways not as relevant to this comment.

    I get the feeling that you’re the type that wants all the benefits of a socialist system (public school systems, roads, parks) without having to deal with caring for anyone you consider beneath you.

    …Er, sorry. Didn’t mean for my first comment on here to be a rant.

  12. jarlington Says:

    This is lovely. I have a similar set of rules when engaging in discussions about my own privilege. It’s always a struggle to let go of my personal pride, and of course I’m bound to say stupid things that I only later realize are awful, but making myself shut up and actually listen has been one of the most life-changing decisions I’ve ever made. It’s difficult to learn from the people around you if you can’t set yourself aside in order to hear their experience.

  13. skeptifem Says:

    what do you make of the fact that when policy x is in place far fewer people make bad choices than when policy y is in place?
    This is true over and over again of most social problems (teen pregnancy, substance abuse, violence, etc). How free is the choice in light of that?

  14. vegofish Says:

    My apologies for offending. Your correct, it is a harsh word better saved for it’s proper context.

    You are wrong though about how the vast majority of conservatives feel concerning society and the general welfare.

    While it is no mystery that most of the people that post here favor a society that provides birth to death entitlements, conservative opinions are shrouded in this mantra of conservatives don’t care about the plight of the disadvantaged, period. Conservative values are looked at as something akin to anarchy.

    This is frankly not only ridiculous, but incredibly arrogant and insulting. This insular attitude towards people who mainly just disagree on the vehicle and mechanisms and framing their views in terms of evil ruins any possibility of constructive debate on very serious issues.

    What has in fact been repeatedly shown, in contrast to your straw man “policy” argument, are that those of conservative values are far more willing as individuals to give their personal time and property to helping the disadvantaged.

    I applaud your volunteerism, it represents precisely the way our society should care for each other.

  15. vegofish Says:

    Most of the people here seem to be of the opinion that everyone, with the exception of conservatives of course, are suffering some form of oppression from factors they are helpless to defeat and need some government program to help them overcome.

  16. Isis the Scientist Says:

    Most of the people here seem to be of the opinion that everyone, with the exception of conservatives of course, are suffering some form of oppression from factors they are helpless to defeat and need some government program to help them overcome.

    ha ha ha ha ha.

  17. skeptifem Says:

    How is the policy argument a fallacy? It is demonstrably true regarding many different issues. use teen pregnancy rates relationship to abstinence only education as an example if you need one.

  18. justducky Says:

    Hmm.

    Things aren’t always what they seem, in this place.

    But still, you failed to answer my question. Mayhap you should define “oppression”, since you seem to think you know so much about it.

    Or don’t. It doesn’t matter. This is one of those discussions that will go no where, given that you have your mind made up already.

    Have a great time with that.

  19. Isabel Says:

    “My personal philosophy is …blah blah blah….I shut up, sack up, and accept their experience in the terms and with the tone it is delivered…blah blah”

    Sure you feel this way, unless the oppressed people are lower class and white. Lower class white males are in fact indistinguishable from upper class white males(duh!) so *they* should all STFU and never ever complain. Any white person on the planet who is not upper class is either low IQ, so deserving of a life of hard work and scorn, or a slacker/druggie or someone of similar moral failings.

    So if they start complaining that they are getting the short end of the stick or being treated condescendingly or whatever, don’t listen to them- they don’t have a right to vent or anything valid to express. Just ignore them, or if you’re in the mood feel free to mock them. Obviously they are responsible for all the shit the world’s in anyway, so don’t hold back! ;)

  20. veganrampage Says:

    For fucks sake Vego and Izzie sing the same tune over and over whadya know for cryin’ out loud.
    As for what you wrote CCP, YES, but then you lose the opportunity to be right and we all know how important that is.

  21. skeptifem Says:

    There are scores of anarchists who ignore everything but class oppression. Its a white dude club, for sure.

  22. tinfoil hattie Says:

    I love your neat trick of painting not only every reader of this blog, but also every progressive/liberal leaning human being, with the “you people just want birth-to-death entitlements” while simultaneously taking us all to task for making unfair and blanket statements about conservatives.

    You privileged wankfish.

  23. tinfoil hattie Says:

    oppression: I do not think that word means what you think it means.

  24. tinfoil hattie Says:

    BTW, “sack up” is a sexist term. Ha ha ha.

  25. beatrice Says:

    You wrote to your CCP, Conservative Conservative Physioprof. And I guess that you are right

  26. Katharine Says:

    Y’know, I had a snarky reply to this typed up but decided against it because you’d still bang on about coddling morons.

  27. Isabel Says:

    what do you mean?

    I just mean it as treated unfairly because of a group membership, getting the short end of the stick compared to other classes of people, having to work harder.

    What do you think it means.

  28. Isabel Says:

    Yes, let’s *all* define oppression. Good idea!

  29. Isabel Says:

    Does that justify *ignoring* class oppression?

  30. Isabel Says:

    You made the right decision, just for the wrong reason.

  31. skeptifem Says:

    You act like people who address oppression are ignoring the plight of poor whites, but they aren’t. I cannot count a single person who did class analysis who ignored lower class whites. It is in literature from andrea dworkin to bell hooks to howard zinn, to every-fuck-thing-else I have ever read about it- its out there, it isn’t primary because guess what? White people are not the ones primarily affected by class oppression. They are still mentioned and were the movers and shakers in things like pre WWII striking. Where the fuck do you get the idea they were ignored? That stuff was mentioned in my economic history class, the one that said that our intervention in cuba was out of “humanitarian concern for cubans”. I don’t know where you get the idea poor whites aren’t included- its like people who show up and go “what about the men!!!11″ during rape discussions. We all know men are raped and need support, obviously, but they are not the prime recipients of rape and do not somehow deserve a disproportional amount of time devoted to them. It is as though people privileged in some way expect their needs to be the ones that are mentioned most often, when perhaps the emphasis should be on who is suffering the most rather than who can shout the loudest.

  32. Isabel Says:

    “White people are not the ones primarily affected by class oppression.”

    Again the inability to see classism and racism as related but separate. What difference does it make?

    And anyway, you’re wrong: most lower class Americans are white. This was even more true in the recent past. And there are plenty of poor and exploited Eastern Europeans, Russians, I mean do you think they just really want to be mail order brides?

    Working class Americans have gotten a bum deal in recent decades from both major parties.

    And I am not talking about textbooks anyway, I am talking about from CPP and his privileged liberal buddies.

  33. Katharine Says:

    This is funny. Regardless of how big the lower-class population of whites is, they still have it better off than minorities of equivalent class.

  34. Katharine Says:

    Most I can muster at this point is to simply tell you you apparently have no standards.

  35. Katharine Says:

    I gotta be honest, though: the American public, and indeed most of the rest of the world, is so fucking stupid in general that I’m not so sure how much I care about its well-being, as long as I can do my science and try to make the world better in the long run for everyone. I sincerely am not sure I care about the plight of most lower-class whites or lower-class most people or middle-class most people or upper-class most people in the South when they’d mostly probably pull a gun against me if they found out I’m an atheist and they hate reproductive choice and freedom of speech and gays and blacks and Latinos and Asians and they elect Republicans. Seriously, Isabel? You think I’m supposed to feel sympathy for people who think I, an atheist female hetero biology major who is an ally of gay people and decidedly unracist etc. etc., should not exist, in most cases because they have a petulant little shit of an imaginary friend and they think their imaginary friend doesn’t like me?

    Even most fellow liberals I can’t stand because a significant proportion of them are morons who would buy into crystal-gazing and alt-med if they knew what it was and who invest only slightly more thought into the world than libertarians, who themselves invest more thought than idiot conservatives.

    I have lost most of my compassion because I have found that most people aren’t genuinely worth my compassion. It’s a reflection, in part, of my general mistrust of most people, and even people I will come to trust I approach with the old Reagan attitude of ‘trust, but verify’ (which was the only thing that ridiculous idiot got right).

    People who have the capability to do well, I have sympathy for. They will perform to their capacity if you give them a more favorable environment.

    But you can’t fix stupid.

  36. Isabel Says:

    “Regardless of how big the lower-class population of whites is, they still have it better off than minorities of equivalent class.”

    Actually not true anymore in the US according to some recent studies. But even if that were true, so what? “No matter how bad black men have it, they don’t have it as bad as black women, so who cares about them”, right? Is that what you and skeptifem are saying?

    And because you have randomly inserted the words “I am not a racist” into your otherwise hateful rant, everyone here will think you are a good person, one of them. I am the only person who has ever objected to your heartless anti-human spewing. But because I have shown compassion for some people who are suffering from class oppression, I am bad. I must be a racist, there can be no other explanation!

    It’s insanity, and imo it causes the anger against liberals, that leads to the situation we are in. You and skeptifem need to have more compassion.

  37. Katharine Says:

    Compassion for who? People who deal drugs, pimp out little girls, who beat gays and blacks, who kill census workers?

    No.

  38. Katharine Says:

    I’m not anti-human. I’m anti-stupid, excessively irrational, shoots themselves and other people in the foot metaphorically and literally, has stupid biases whether because of their religion or because of something else, is a fucking moron or otherwise crazy-human.

  39. Isabel Says:

    “Compassion for who? People who deal drugs, pimp out little girls, who beat gays and blacks, who kill census workers?”

    That’s your idea of a working class white person?

  40. Funky Fresh Says:

    I believe they also drink Pabst, fly the COnfederate flag,and drive pick up trucks.

  41. Katharine Says:

    A significant portion of them, which is clustered mostly in the South.

    Though really, this is a significant portion of humanity, regardless of race or social class. I also have no compassion for the people in Africa who mutilate small children and the people in Europe who beat up Roma people just because they’re Roma and the people in Europe who think they’re entitled to steal and slag off just because they think their culture dictates it (i.e. a certain number of Roma).

    I direct you to this blog post: http://scienceblogs.com/mikethemadbiologist/2010/12/why_are_us_troops_dying_to_def.php#comments

    My general distaste for most human beings is not bounded by things such as race and socioeconomic class.

  42. Katharine Says:

    “And because you have randomly inserted the words “I am not a racist” into your otherwise hateful rant, everyone here will think you are a good person, one of them. I am the only person who has ever objected to your heartless anti-human spewing. But because I have shown compassion for some people who are suffering from class oppression, I am bad. I must be a racist, there can be no other explanation!”

    Isabel, you are fucking dim.

  43. Isabel Says:

    Oh and yeah, I have compassion for people who were not lucky enough to be born with above average IQs. But you, on the other hand despise them and long to line them all up and shoot them. You have expressed this many times. But of course, since you have made it clear that you are “not a racist”, or from the South, or homophobic, so CPP and his readers are satisfied that you are a good person. You are one of them, unlike me, who refuses to hate people for accidents of birth, like their IQs or where they are from, or the color of their skin. Not one person besides me has ever objected to your hateful stereotyping and violent fantasies toward innocent people. Funny, that.

  44. Isabel Says:

    “A significant portion of them, which is clustered mostly in the South.”

    A significant portion of working class whites “deal drugs, pimp out little girls, who beat gays and blacks, who kill census workers”?

    What would you call a significant portion? Where are you getting these statistics?

  45. ginger Says:

    I think you’re overlooking the synergy between race and class in the US, Isabel. Each has a main effect of oppression, and then there is an interaction effect.

  46. Isabel Says:

    How am I overlooking that, Ginger? Please explain specifically how I am overlooking that, rather than making unbased accusations. And where are the definitions of oppression I requested? Tinfoil Hattie insisted I didn’t know the meaning, so what is it, TH?

    And what exactly do you mean by the synergy? Are you saying that class oppression is not as bad if you are white, apart from racism proper? If so I think you are wrong. In fact, I doubt you know what you are talking about. I think it’s the opposite. A lot of what is considered white ‘privilege’ is actually class privilege, so after you unpack class privilege, the overall effect of ‘racism’ is lessened-in other words a lot of it IS classism.

    And what does that have to do with justifying ignoring lower class people who are white, and instead using them as scapegoats instead? And not allowing them to whine? Please be specific here as well. That is the topic we are discussing (see OP).

    Finally, how does that justify Katherine and Bikemonkey’s nasty stereotypes, and make them okay (I haven’t heard anyone object yet, have you? in fact you seem okay with those characterizations…hmm), whereas similar stereotypical descriptions of lower class blacks would be immediately denounced as ‘vile’ and ‘racist’.

    I look forward to your analysis. Please try to stay on topic.

  47. Teh Brownz Says:

    Are you saying that class oppression is not as bad if you are white, apart from racism proper?

    Yes.

  48. Isabel Says:

    Another person who just makes nonsensical statements without even attempting to substantiate them.

    The sad thing is people who see this attitude as insane are correct, and it hurts attempts to actually change society. Your beliefs make no sense, so you just keep repeating them, and calling people who challenge you ‘bad’ and ‘evil’. Then you mock *them* for being Christians, who believe in things like evil. The claims you are making are not backed up by evidence, but you turn away from evidence, and then claim to be scientists.

    It’s so sad. It really is. Hating only makes things worse. On some level you know this, but can’t help it because it would mean facing the truth. You cannot scapegoat and face the truth at the same time. The choice is yours.


  49. Katharine, are you serious in what you have written here, or is this satire? I find it pretty shocking and disturbing.

    But Isabel is right, this is exactly why the Tea Party is winning. I wish you and Matt Taibbi and other classist bigots would just keep your hateful opinions to yourselves. Every time you put us down, Sarah Palin gets another vote (and shoots another reindeer for Christmas dinner).

    Shhh. Please stop.


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  51. ginger Says:

    Sorry, Isabel, I was talking to you about class and race, not joining in on the poke-at-Isabel class-baiting that FunkyFresh and Katherine seem to be enjoying. I can see how I came off as piling on, and I apologize. I don’t believe that working-class white people are any more bigoted than anyone else, and I know that in a country where trucker hats can be worn ironically, class is a huge issue.

    But, yeah, I am saying that class oppression is worse if you’re also experiencing race oppression, and that race oppression is worse if you’re experiencing class oppression. Nancy Krieger and Lisa Berkman have both written a lot about the intersections of socioeconomic position and racial discrimination.

  52. ginger Says:

    Okay, then I guess I do need to say this, even though it’s pretty far from the topic at hand – I am not a fan of the words “retard” and “moron” or even “dim”, either. People with cognitive disabilities deserve the same respect that people without them do, even in the intellect-worshiping culture of the academe. It’s been one of the hardest things for me in trying not be an ableist asshole – the idea that it’s okay to use “stupid” as an insult is really pretty deep-rooted.

    It’s definitely a legitimate insult to say that someone is wilfully ignorant, in this world where there’s a surfeit of information through libraries open to everyone. But people who are “dumb” or “stupid” are just people with less cognitive ability than you. Calling someone whom you loathe “stupid” does those innocent people a serious disservice, in precisely the same way that calling someone “lame” does people who have mobility problems a disservice – it stigmatizes an already vulnerable group of people for something they really have no choice about.

    As I said, this has been really hard for me to wrap my head around, because it’s a really deep-rooted prejudice for me, so I’m not being all self-righteous about it, but it merits some self-examination, especially for knowledge workers.

  53. Isabel Says:

    Ginger, I still have no clue where the disagreement is. It’s like saying “racism is experienced worse if you are a woman, and sexism is experienced worse if you are a black woman.” It isn’t that the man and woman are experiencing more or less racism, it’s that one has an additional ‘ism’ to cope with. So *of course* their experience is worse overall. You would not say that therefore the black man doesn’t experience racism, and get all nervous every time someone mentions that black men suffer from racism and have to quickly add that it’s worse for black women, so black men have nothing to whine about.

    Can you just say: “classism sucks, and lower-class white men, like lower class people of all categories, suffer from classism”? That they are far less privileged than upper-class white men, and certainly not their equals? **Without adding any caveats?** Is that possible? I am really beginning to wonder.

  54. Vodalus Says:

    Sigh… ok, so here we go:
    http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/12/07/joblessness-and-the-intersection-of-class-and-race/ Unemployment rates for black men and women are worse than for white men at all education levels. The disparity in employment rates increases with increasing educational attainment.

    http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/14/race-criminal-background-and-employment/ White male applicants with a criminal record are more likely to receive a call back for an interview than black male applicants without a criminal record.

    http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/11/04/race-and-the-economic-downturn/ A plot comparing white and black unemployment rates throughout the recession indicate that the periods of worst (greatest) unemployment in the white population are equivalent or better than the periods of best (lowest) unemployment in the black population.

    Can we get some data demonstrating exactly how white poor people are “worse off” than black poor people, Isabel?

  55. Isabel Says:

    *sigh*

    See what I mean Ginger? Textbook example here. Complete with imaginary reference to me saying “white poor people are “worse off” than black poor people” – it’s like a disease or something.

    *sigh*

  56. Isabel Says:

    @Voldalus: from my comment above “So *of course* their experience is worse overall.”

    Get it? If they are poor AND black, yes, their experience will be worse overall.

  57. ginger Says:

    Yeah, I think that’s a major misunderstanding of your response “Actually not true anymore in the US according to some recent studies” to “Regardless of how big the lower-class population of whites is, they still have it better off than minorities of equivalent class.”

    So, what I meant by synergy is that I think there’s a more-than-additive effect of class plus race on many outcomes. Separate race and class effects, that are cumulatively worse than one would predict by adding them together. But to back that up seriously, I would want to present a whole slate of quantifiable outcomes, and I’m not sure I want to grind that particular axe.

  58. Isabel Says:

    Are you being sarcastic- hard to tell. Anyway, I don’t know the studies off-hand (guess I should save them for such occasions) there are definitely situations where the effect of race is much less than it used to be or non-existent, and where class is more important. So it varies. In any case, I certainly have never said, here or anywhere, that lower class whites have it worse! Of course, it definitely sucks to be the whipping boys of the entire country, but the studies don’t measure that do they?

    How it all intersects is situational; for example, an upper class white woman is in a better place today in the US than a lower class white man in many ways. If she is confident and moderately ambitious chances are she will go far, and can live a comfortable and secure life. If her goal is to be president, than not the case, at least not yet-better to be a lower-class male and be super smart, extremely lucky and obsessively single-minded and ambitious. But carrying the baggage of being lower class is a big price to pay.

    So if you did want to measure it, fine, but it has to be 1. situational and 2. up-to-date.


  59. I study this kind of stuff and I know of zero studies that show that the negative effect of race on earnings is completely gone.

    Additionally, class is a continuous variable whereas race is generally thought to be discrete. You cannot compare the two without discretizing class… and there are a lot of different ways to discretize class. Yes, the gap between being in the top .01% of wealth in the US and the .99% of wealth is probably bigger than that of going from white to black. But that doesn’t mean that the differences in class are worse than of race. The statement that class has a stronger effect on anything than race is meaningless.

    In terms of racial gaps disappearing, my only guess is that the studies she’s referring to are the Oaxaca-Blinder decompositions showing that all things equal, blacks are getting MORE education than would have been predicted had they been white. But all things aren’t equal, and that education does not translate into equal earnings by a long-shot.

  60. ginger Says:

    Granted I’m prone to sarcasm, but none was intended in my last few comments in these parts.

    Yeah, I think in addition to situation and currency/up-to-date-ness, region needs to be taken into account. Even in discussions restricted to the US, fifty states and nine (or so) inhabited territories have a lot of room for cultural variability, including the manifestations of intersectionality.

  61. Katharine Says:

    Is ‘classist’ the new term now? So you’re automatically equating ‘stupid’ with ‘poor’?

    There are Eastern Europeans I know who live on the equivalent of $12000 a year who are a sight brighter than those I speak of.

    You misinterpret my whole point. It’s not class I’m banging on about at the end of the day. It’s brains, and there’s a problem with it at all levels of society.

  62. Katharine Says:

    “People with cognitive disabilities deserve the same respect that people without them do, even in the intellect-worshiping culture of the academe.”

    Separate ‘cognitive’ from ‘intellectual’, here.

    Nope. Sorry. Perfectly capable of being civil but not going to hold someone with the IQ of a potato in high regard.

  63. Katharine Says:

    Oh, and culture too.

  64. Katharine Says:

    I know someone whose folks died and who has had days where he’s gone hungry for lack of food.

    He’s on the last semester of his bachelor’s degree in computer science.

    Not to mention I’m sure you’re aware of the story of the neurosurgeon who was the child of an illiterate single mother?

    Poor doesn’t necessarily mean stupid.

    And this cognitive disability thing you bang on about: Last I heard, dyslexics and dyscalculics could still go to college and do well. Don’t lump them in with people who can’t even be trusted to make a friggin’ copy of a document.

  65. Katharine Says:

    FSM, what is it, 11:30? That should’ve been Ginger’s comment I replied to.

    Fuck, now one of you’s going to go and call me on THAT.

  66. Katharine Says:

    I’m gonna excuse myself from this post.


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